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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://mcmvanbree.com/dutchperspective/orchestra-survey-activities-engagement-and-goals/comment-page-1#comment-36809</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zach,

Thanks much for your comment. Always appreciated.

Interesting anecdote about Seattle Opera. Of course, you&#039;re not located in Seattle, so you&#039;re not a likely ticket buyer. There is still value in their social media campaign reaching out-of-towners, but it depends on what they want to achieve. Like I wrote before, the ultimate goal is bringing classical music to the community and the Internet greatly expands that community from local to worldwide.

On specific actions, perhaps Seattle Opera has a radio broadcast, and you might tune in next time. Or you might listen to a performance or podcast on their Web site (which might lead to a chance to monitize those efforts).

And yes, I agree on your observation about people who are already interested becoming fans. I think that&#039;s the point. Online relationships are meant to complement offline relationships. I think it&#039;s not necessarily a good idea to look at social media to &quot;attract new, young audiences.&quot; Sure, it can help in those efforts, but it&#039;s important to segment your audience. You&#039;d be surprised to see how many Facebook fans are baby boomers. 

And although I think customer service at orchestras has made great strides, I think social media can help make it even better. Just look at Comcast and UPS who are using Twitter to enhance their (usually poor) customer service.

Thanks again for your comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zach,</p>
<p>Thanks much for your comment. Always appreciated.</p>
<p>Interesting anecdote about Seattle Opera. Of course, you&#8217;re not located in Seattle, so you&#8217;re not a likely ticket buyer. There is still value in their social media campaign reaching out-of-towners, but it depends on what they want to achieve. Like I wrote before, the ultimate goal is bringing classical music to the community and the Internet greatly expands that community from local to worldwide.</p>
<p>On specific actions, perhaps Seattle Opera has a radio broadcast, and you might tune in next time. Or you might listen to a performance or podcast on their Web site (which might lead to a chance to monitize those efforts).</p>
<p>And yes, I agree on your observation about people who are already interested becoming fans. I think that&#8217;s the point. Online relationships are meant to complement offline relationships. I think it&#8217;s not necessarily a good idea to look at social media to &#8220;attract new, young audiences.&#8221; Sure, it can help in those efforts, but it&#8217;s important to segment your audience. You&#8217;d be surprised to see how many Facebook fans are baby boomers. </p>
<p>And although I think customer service at orchestras has made great strides, I think social media can help make it even better. Just look at Comcast and UPS who are using Twitter to enhance their (usually poor) customer service.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Zack Hayhurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack Hayhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marc:

Very interesting stuff you have been posting lately.  Now that my first hectic semester of graduate school has finally finished I have time to catch up on reading and commenting.

Regarding this topic, my own experience interacting with orchestras and performing arts organizations via their online presence has mostly been lack luster.  It only seems obvious that a performing arts organization would have some visual or audio representation of their work on the website.  I am always disappointed when I go to a site that has nothing but a season schedule and a way to buy tickets.  I am not sure if this comes from lack of technological knowledge, or lack of will.

Facebook and Twitter are a whole different story.  I follow many orchestras and opera companies.  Honestly, most of the posts are uninteresting, to say the least.  The few who have caught my attention and actually made me want to explore the organization further are the ones who engaged the online audience, i.e., Seattle Opera.  They had an online competition, which they advertised heavily on their Facebook and Twitter pages, to choose a &quot;First Time Opera Goer&quot; representative for their upcoming Ring Cycle.  They accepted videos from young opera lovers selling themselves in two minutes or less on why they would be the perfect representative for the initiative.  Visitors to the site could watch the clips, which were quite amusing at times, and vote for the person they liked the best.  I had no prior knowledge of the Seattle Opera, but this experience made me want to learn more about them.

What was said above is spot-on: Re-packaging a press release in Tweet format is unoriginal at best, and at worst, just plain lazy.  

The other thing I wonder about is whether or not having a Facebook or Twitter account actually translates into
1) Followers/Fans and 2) Ticket sales, and more importantly for the long term, 3) Creating New Interest
Again, going on my own experience, unless people are already interested in the organization and the art form, they are not going to seek them out.  There are plenty of people who are fans of organizations on Facebook who I have worked for, but only because I SUGGESTED they become fans.  

In summary, I think those who are already interested fans, will seek you out and become your Facebook fans and your Twitter followers.  Those who perhaps have an inclination to be your real, ticket buying fans, but perhaps need a little extra incentive to get them interested, are well served by having video/audio representations of your work to get an idea.  

Think of Itunes.  You can sample music before you buy it.  And that is only 99 cents.  What about spending $60 for a ticket without having a clue what you&#039;re getting into.  This might have been okay twenty, even ten years ago, but we are in an ever changing and ever more customer focused culture.  There is an entirely different expectation nowadays regarding quality of level of service when purchasing ANYTHING.  For God&#039;s sake, you can even return automobiles now!  And yet, there are still so many performing arts orgs who say boldly and definitively: NO EXCHANGES, NO REFUNDS.  With that kind of commitment, there is no room for customer error.  You better be damn sure you know what you like before you go see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marc:</p>
<p>Very interesting stuff you have been posting lately.  Now that my first hectic semester of graduate school has finally finished I have time to catch up on reading and commenting.</p>
<p>Regarding this topic, my own experience interacting with orchestras and performing arts organizations via their online presence has mostly been lack luster.  It only seems obvious that a performing arts organization would have some visual or audio representation of their work on the website.  I am always disappointed when I go to a site that has nothing but a season schedule and a way to buy tickets.  I am not sure if this comes from lack of technological knowledge, or lack of will.</p>
<p>Facebook and Twitter are a whole different story.  I follow many orchestras and opera companies.  Honestly, most of the posts are uninteresting, to say the least.  The few who have caught my attention and actually made me want to explore the organization further are the ones who engaged the online audience, i.e., Seattle Opera.  They had an online competition, which they advertised heavily on their Facebook and Twitter pages, to choose a &#8220;First Time Opera Goer&#8221; representative for their upcoming Ring Cycle.  They accepted videos from young opera lovers selling themselves in two minutes or less on why they would be the perfect representative for the initiative.  Visitors to the site could watch the clips, which were quite amusing at times, and vote for the person they liked the best.  I had no prior knowledge of the Seattle Opera, but this experience made me want to learn more about them.</p>
<p>What was said above is spot-on: Re-packaging a press release in Tweet format is unoriginal at best, and at worst, just plain lazy.  </p>
<p>The other thing I wonder about is whether or not having a Facebook or Twitter account actually translates into<br />
1) Followers/Fans and 2) Ticket sales, and more importantly for the long term, 3) Creating New Interest<br />
Again, going on my own experience, unless people are already interested in the organization and the art form, they are not going to seek them out.  There are plenty of people who are fans of organizations on Facebook who I have worked for, but only because I SUGGESTED they become fans.  </p>
<p>In summary, I think those who are already interested fans, will seek you out and become your Facebook fans and your Twitter followers.  Those who perhaps have an inclination to be your real, ticket buying fans, but perhaps need a little extra incentive to get them interested, are well served by having video/audio representations of your work to get an idea.  </p>
<p>Think of Itunes.  You can sample music before you buy it.  And that is only 99 cents.  What about spending $60 for a ticket without having a clue what you&#8217;re getting into.  This might have been okay twenty, even ten years ago, but we are in an ever changing and ever more customer focused culture.  There is an entirely different expectation nowadays regarding quality of level of service when purchasing ANYTHING.  For God&#8217;s sake, you can even return automobiles now!  And yet, there are still so many performing arts orgs who say boldly and definitively: NO EXCHANGES, NO REFUNDS.  With that kind of commitment, there is no room for customer error.  You better be damn sure you know what you like before you go see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Elliot. I have to agree with you here. I’ll try to take it a step further and illustrate it with a hypothetical goal, objective, milestone set up (inspired by Are We There Yet? - http://www.issuelab.org/research/are_we_there_yet_a_communications_evaluation_guide):

Goal:

In Are We There Yet?, “raising awareness” doesn’t fly as a goal. The authors ask: “Why do I want people to know about my organization?” Behavior change is the ultimate behavioral goal (as opposed to a policy goal). The authors write: “when people start behaving differently, you have reached your goal.”

Now, an orchestras mission, like the London Symphony, is “to give the finest performances of music and make them available to the greatest number of people.” 

From that, you can formulate a goal you want to achieve in the next five years or so: “Reverse the trend, as reported by the NEA, and increase the participation in classical music; at home, in the concert halls and through different media including online media.”

(That’s a lofty goal, I know!)

Objectives:

Intermediate objectives will lead to your long-term goal. And an objective should be SMART: Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Result-focused and Time-specific.

These include specific objectives on audience development and education/outreach. But we won’t touch on those here.

So in the scope of social media, working towards online participation, perhaps something like: “By the end of year one, have established an online audience of 25,000 active, engaging members.”

Now “active” and “engaging” might need to have refined definitions. What exactly does active and engaging mean? It could mean something like “active and engaging means a member has completed three actions (download a podcast, watch a video, write a review, buy a ticket from the Web) within the given year.”

Milestones:

Based on the above objective, you would have several milestones to measure your progress toward the objective.

- Establish a fan base of 100,000 members on Facebook and Twitter (remember, not all members are going to be active)
- Establish a subscriber base of 1,500 members for your podcast (easy to measure)
- And so on…


Now this is something I created off the cuff. I’m sure there are things wrong with the plan. It will take some strategy meetings to really dig in to the material and create your own plan. But this shows a framework on how to think strategically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Elliot. I have to agree with you here. I’ll try to take it a step further and illustrate it with a hypothetical goal, objective, milestone set up (inspired by Are We There Yet? &#8211; <a href="http://www.issuelab.org/research/are_we_there_yet_a_communications_evaluation_guide" rel="nofollow">http://www.issuelab.org/research/are_we_there_yet_a_communications_evaluation_guide</a>):</p>
<p>Goal:</p>
<p>In Are We There Yet?, “raising awareness” doesn’t fly as a goal. The authors ask: “Why do I want people to know about my organization?” Behavior change is the ultimate behavioral goal (as opposed to a policy goal). The authors write: “when people start behaving differently, you have reached your goal.”</p>
<p>Now, an orchestras mission, like the London Symphony, is “to give the finest performances of music and make them available to the greatest number of people.” </p>
<p>From that, you can formulate a goal you want to achieve in the next five years or so: “Reverse the trend, as reported by the NEA, and increase the participation in classical music; at home, in the concert halls and through different media including online media.”</p>
<p>(That’s a lofty goal, I know!)</p>
<p>Objectives:</p>
<p>Intermediate objectives will lead to your long-term goal. And an objective should be SMART: Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Result-focused and Time-specific.</p>
<p>These include specific objectives on audience development and education/outreach. But we won’t touch on those here.</p>
<p>So in the scope of social media, working towards online participation, perhaps something like: “By the end of year one, have established an online audience of 25,000 active, engaging members.”</p>
<p>Now “active” and “engaging” might need to have refined definitions. What exactly does active and engaging mean? It could mean something like “active and engaging means a member has completed three actions (download a podcast, watch a video, write a review, buy a ticket from the Web) within the given year.”</p>
<p>Milestones:</p>
<p>Based on the above objective, you would have several milestones to measure your progress toward the objective.</p>
<p>- Establish a fan base of 100,000 members on Facebook and Twitter (remember, not all members are going to be active)<br />
- Establish a subscriber base of 1,500 members for your podcast (easy to measure)<br />
- And so on…</p>
<p>Now this is something I created off the cuff. I’m sure there are things wrong with the plan. It will take some strategy meetings to really dig in to the material and create your own plan. But this shows a framework on how to think strategically.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot Harmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot Harmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marc, thanks a lot for the follow-up.

(Pasting what I just typed in the TechSoup thread.)

I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right when you say that if pressed on why they&#039;re interested in generating web traffic, for most orchestras it would come back to ticket sales. And as you say, on some level this may be the problem.

I suppose that at our most cynical and pragmatic, we could say that in-school programs and the like are also &quot;about&quot; generating revenue, but at least in my (limited) experience, they&#039;re not measured that way; they&#039;re measured on how many people they&#039;re able to reach /now/. And I think that works better for social media campaigns too. If the goal is to reach audiences under 25, for example, then find out how many people in that group download your podcast or watch your video, not how many visit your site or buy a ticket.

Having recently been a young person, here are the three biggest pieces of advice I&#039;d give to performing arts organizations trying to reach young people. First, don&#039;t insult our intelligence. We often know more about the art - and are more willing to try unusual or difficult works - than the season ticket holders.

Second, give us recordings in formats we can use. If the goal is to expose new audiences to classical music, then why lock it in Realaudio or Flash-only formats? Why wouldn&#039;t you want us to download it?

Third, discounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marc, thanks a lot for the follow-up.</p>
<p>(Pasting what I just typed in the TechSoup thread.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right when you say that if pressed on why they&#8217;re interested in generating web traffic, for most orchestras it would come back to ticket sales. And as you say, on some level this may be the problem.</p>
<p>I suppose that at our most cynical and pragmatic, we could say that in-school programs and the like are also &#8220;about&#8221; generating revenue, but at least in my (limited) experience, they&#8217;re not measured that way; they&#8217;re measured on how many people they&#8217;re able to reach /now/. And I think that works better for social media campaigns too. If the goal is to reach audiences under 25, for example, then find out how many people in that group download your podcast or watch your video, not how many visit your site or buy a ticket.</p>
<p>Having recently been a young person, here are the three biggest pieces of advice I&#8217;d give to performing arts organizations trying to reach young people. First, don&#8217;t insult our intelligence. We often know more about the art &#8211; and are more willing to try unusual or difficult works &#8211; than the season ticket holders.</p>
<p>Second, give us recordings in formats we can use. If the goal is to expose new audiences to classical music, then why lock it in Realaudio or Flash-only formats? Why wouldn&#8217;t you want us to download it?</p>
<p>Third, discounts.</p>
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